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Monday, 25 June 2012 10:19

Finding Reason

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We received a message from Thom Landon. He said: "Your words, ideas and philosophy confirm what I have begun to understand. Thanks for putting up this site and I hope this note lets you know that in this difficult process of unlearning, your perspective is welcome and appreciated.  When I found the words your write and speak, it was like my thoughts spoken aloud.  It's good to know that the logical framework of reason can be seen and understood outside of the self." Here's the full message...

Marquez,

I read your works and listened to the youtube presentation and realized that I had gone through a process almost identical.  I reject athiesm as a response to theism.

Your words, ideas and philosophy confirm what I have begun to understand.  Reason is enough.  All the rest is a game to be played or entertainment. The really great stuff that's happening now, the amazing discoveries aren't made with dogma, they are made through the tool of reason.

I am also not a scientist, but I know enough about science to realize that it offers the best and most reasoned explanation for all of the really important questions. Recently, I've started reading Sam Harris and Dan Ariely and the picture of the mind and why we act irrationally suddenly begins to make sense. The future philosophy of thought integrates the new ideas on how and why we process new information and why we act irrationally (individually) and how we can eliminate harm (collectively).

Thanks for putting up this site and I hope this note lets you know that in this difficult process of unlearning, your perspective is welcome and appreciated.  When I found the words your write and speak, it was like my thoughts spoken aloud.  It's good to know that the logical framework of reason can be seen and understood outside of the self.

Best,

Thom

REPLY

Hello Thom,

I appreciate your time sending your thoughts through. It helps me when I know that there are people out there who are hearing me and who are sharing the same thoughts, feelings and experiences with me. It spurs me to do more.

Thanks,

//Marquez

Sunday, 25 October 2009 23:53

I'm a 14 YO Atheist And My Dad Is Going Crazy

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YOUNG MAN:

My parents have been bothering me for several months now about how I turned atheist and it's getting out of hand. They talk to me for sometimes hours a night and don't listen to any of my arguments, but want me to listen them. I'm forced to go to church and they want me to take communion.

My grandma is very religious and she's just going crazy, she just wants me to "accept that there is just some things I don't know". My Dad always says that all atheists are negative because he says all the atheists he met were. My parents always say "you're just 14" and "we've been on the earth for a long time and I've seen the lord". God it's annoying.

Now my parents want to take away all my things, internet, video games, etc. because I "need to get focused". They think they can force me to believe. I can't show them some articles about myths about atheism because they'll punish me for sure. They're making my life very miserable and they blame my unhappiness in my atheism.

My Dad is also about to go to extreme measures like therapy and sending me to another school, A JESUS SCHOOL. They also think just because they're medical doctors they know everything and every time I prove them wrong they ignore me. Please, I want help, you guys have to do something, I don't care what it is, get me out of this hell. I choose to email you because you brought up what I always try to say, but they don't listen.

MARQUEZ:

Thank you so much for writing to me.

I really do not know what to say or do with you and for you. I do not think I have a magic wand that can vanquish all your problems and I do not know how best to approach your situation. I also do not know where we should go with this, however, I believe it is important for us just to keep in contact because you and I see the problem of religion similarly but from different perspectives.

Can I ask you a few questions, if I may....

1. Whereabouts are you? In the US? Australia? UK?
2. What religion do your parents follow?
3. Are most of your friends in the same situation?
4. What do you think should people like myself, or people in general, should do to help people like you?

I know these are all questions that may not have quick answers but matters of religion are never quick.

____________________

YOUNG MAN:

[Answers to questions are removed for privacy reasons]

I know I over reacted, but sometimes I get angry you know. I hope I didn't come off wrong. I think I just need someone to talk to. The only thing is that my Dad has changed since I became atheist, he's gotten more stubborn and seems to never like me be alone. Despite him saying he's happy he knows this, I don't think he realizes the damage it's done to our relationship. He also has this thing of "not trusting me" because I'm atheist and not letting "my mind wonder". He says he's not forcing me, but he's not giving me a choice. I can be atheist and he continues to always talk about religion or I "just trust him". This experience has made me much wiser at a young age, I'm a part of an atheist forum and I learn a lot about tolerance and seeing others views, despite my Dad saying I'm "closed minded".

____________________

MARQUEZ:

You said you needed someone to talk to. I am here for you and I will just post comments as they come to my mind to help you balance things out with what your parents are enforcing on you.

Thanks for answering my questions. You said that people should teach religious tolerance however, if you think about it, religions themselves cannot tolerate each other because at the core they contradict each other.

For example, Christians say Jesus is the son of god while Muslims say Jesus is not the son of god. Yet neither have any evidence or proof that can settle the argument. Even if we do not have any evidence or proof, there can be no logical criteria in which we can find out for sure. Religious beliefs are simply to be accepted or rejected as a matter of personal choice.

When we as a society say we should tolerate each other?s religions, all we are really doing is, ignoring the glaring contradictions that each religion is claiming.

You are not being closed minded. Religious people are the usually the ones who are close minded. They tell you to open your mind only so you can accept their beliefs. But if you open your mind to other belief systems, they do not like it. They only like it when it goes their way, you see.

Further, each religion is arrogant enough to claim that their religion holds the truth and everyone else?s religions are false.

To help you and others like you, I am considering posting the conversations between you and I. I will change your name of course so it does not show your real name. But I think this is the best way we can get other people involved and awake to the issues that children are facing today.

What do you think?

___________________

YOUNG MAN:

I think posting the conversation is fine. I also want to add what you said about what religious people think about open mindedness. I know more about the Bible's contradictions than anyone in my family, yet they say I'm closed minded. That doesn't even make sense. It seems when my Dad talks about religion logic goes right out the door. He is at this point just trying to ignore me say just "trust your parents". Every time I say if there was a christian child in the same situation as me trying to get away from another religion he says "I don't care about those other people", isn't that being close minded? It's just amazing how silly all this religion is.

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NOTE: If you have similar stories or comments like these please SUBMIT THEM HERE. Likewise if you have a recommendation, suggestion or coYOUNG MAN:

My parents have been bothering me for several months now about how I turned atheist and it's getting out of hand. They talk to me for sometimes hours a night and don't listen to any of my arguments, but want me to listen them. I'm forced to go to church and they want me to take communion.

My grandma is very religious and she's just going crazy, she just wants me to "accept that there is just some things I don't know". My Dad always says that all atheists are negative because he says all the atheists he met were. My parents always say "you're just 14" and "we've been on the earth for a long time and I've seen the lord". God it's annoying.

Now my parents want to take away all my things, internet, video games, etc. because I "need to get focused". They think they can force me to believe. I can't show them some articles about myths about atheism because they'll punish me for sure. They're making my life very miserable and they blame my unhappiness in my atheism.

My Dad is also about to go to extreme measures like therapy and sending me to another school, A JESUS SCHOOL. They also think just because they're medical doctors they know everything and every time I prove them wrong they ignore me. Please, I want help, you guys have to do something, I don't care what it is, get me out of this hell. I choose to email you because you brought up what I always try to say, but they don't listen.

Tuesday, 16 June 2009 14:28

God Is Not A Tyrant You Bunch Of Losers!

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GOD IS NOT A TYRANT YOU BUNCH OF LOSERS!!! HE IS THE PERSON WHO DIED SO THAT YOU COULD LIVE ON THIS EARTH, BUT THEN FOR YOU TO TURN AROUND AND CRUCIFY HIM AGAIN BY TURNING OTHERS AWAY FROM HIM AND CALL HIM A TYRANT IS UNACCEPTABLE, I REBUKE THIS WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

REPLY:

First of all, thank you very much for sending us your comment. Before I respond, let me be clear that I am not attacking you as a person, I will be merely responding to the ideas you brought up.

ABOUT THE NATURE OF GOD

"...HE IS THE PERSON WHO DIED..."

This comment brings us to the nature of your God. I can only guess that your god is the Abrahamic God because of your word 'crucify'. You called your god a person. Is he a person? Further, you used a masculine pronoun but is he male or female? Is he both, like some gods are? Or is he sexless?

About the mortality of gods: Can a god die, like you say your god did? We obviously don't think He died permanently right? What's the point of pretending to die when you cannot really die? Is it just for extra dramatic effect?

ABOUT GODS HAVING TO DIE SO WE CAN LIVE

"...HE IS THE PERSON WHO DIED SO THAT YOU COULD LIVE ON THIS EARTH..."

The idea of a supernatural being having to die so his creations may live is similar to some Chinese creation stories like that of Pangu, in Taoism.

There's so much conflict in your ideas and to point them out, I can only do so by asking you questions:

Why did God have to die so I could live? Did He not create us already? I'm guessing your going to mention this thing about our sins right?

Most Christians believe that God sent his Son, Jesus to Earth, so Jesus can be crucified for all our sins, past and future, to be forgiven, by God.

I ask you to think about this for a second. Think about the doctrine of Holy Trinity that says God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit are all the same. This means that to paraphrase what Christianity is asking its people to believe:

God sent Himself, as Jesus, to Earth, so He can be crucified for all our sins, so He can forgive us for our sins.

If you believe this idea of God having to die for our sins and so, we can live with our sins forgiven, why did He not just forgive us our sins in the first place without having to go through such drama?

Further, if you believe that God created everything and everyone and He is all-knowing, did He not know that Judas, including all those who accused and crucified Him, that they were going to do what they did? If you believe that God is all-knowing, then doesn't this make us all as actors just placed here on Earth to perform our roles in God's stage all for His amusement...His entertainment?

ABOUT WHO DOES THE CRUCIFYING

"...FOR YOU TO TURN AROUND AND CRUCIFY HIM AGAIN BY TURNING OTHERS AWAY FROM HIM AND CALL HIM A TYRANT IS UNACCEPTABLE..."

You are assuming two things:

  1. You assume that your god exists. To date, there is no verifiable evidence that gods exist.
  2. You assume that your god is the true god whom others might not be diverted away from.

This is where problems with virile religions begin. They already assume that a god exists even when there is no evidence for His existence. Then they expect us to all agree.

They say that their god is the only true god. Everyone else's gods are false gods. Then they establish that their Scripture is the 'word of their god'. In their scriptures, you find things like:

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods before me. " (Exodus 20:2-11 and Deuteronomy 5:6-11)

Religions insist there can only be one god: theirs. By framing it this way, they justify any action or behaviour that demeans and brutalises other people, who just happen not to believe to the same absurdities they are being forced to believe.

Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles. Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

- Exodus 34:13-16

If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the people around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the Lord your God...

Deuteronomy 13:6-16

"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

- John 15:6

Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal ' rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.

Koran 9:73

Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.

Koran 9:123

These verses are there for one reason and one reason only: to spread the religion and defeat competing ideas. Throughout our history, religious people have committed atrocities to other people in the name of their religion: from the witch hunts and the Inquisitions of the past, to the modern-day jihadists who seek to destroy you and me just because we live in societies that separate their religion from their governance.

Osama wrote in his letter to the American people:

"The first thing that we are calling you to, is Islam. The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

... It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind: You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator."

[Source: The Guardian. Full Text: Bin Laden's 'Letter To America'. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver, Published 24 November 2002.]

CONCLUSION

Instead of rebuking this website, perhaps you need to revisit the belief systems and ideas you are defending. Do they truly come from divine origins, from gods themselves, or have human beings confused themselves to a point where they can no longer recognise their myths from their truths?

//Marquez

Book On Reason

The Tyranny Of God by Marquez Comelab - Book on Religion, Science, Reason, Faith, Atheism and Reasonism

The Tyranny Of God


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Is there a God? Where do the animals, plants and human beings come from? Are scriptures the words of gods? Does religion teach us to live moral lives? Why do so many people kill and are killed over it? How should we live our lives if God exists? How should we live it if God does NOT exist?

This book explores the truth behind our beliefs in God and the propensity of human beings to be religious. In an honest attempt to seek the answers to life's deepest questions, I probe into how life began. I then progress to investigate the true nature of religions and their impact on our lives and the rest of humanity.

The main purpose of this book is not to argue against religion. Rather, it tells our story and how we have come to oppress ourselves with the tyranny of our own beliefs. I wrote this book to include everything I discovered to be relevant in my search for the truth, not just the truth behind God and morality, but also behind us and our existence. Instead of reading this book with the expectation that it is trying to prove the tyranny of God, I would like to recommend you read it as a story book: as a book that tells the story of humanity from the Big Bang.

REVIEW

"While Comelab's writing is always moderate in tone, its message clearly undermines current distractions with accommodationist arguments towards presumed religious "moderates". It is written with the fresh confidence of a young man who has had early success in his adopted country and only recently come to realise the truth of atheism. For those like me whose only worry about Atheism has long been its faultering progress, Comelab reminds us that much of the energy must continue to come from those who have more recently learned the truth. He seems more than bright enough to soon progress to seeing atheism not as an end but as a starting point to the kind of understanding that should enable us to work towards a future incomparably better than any heaven the faithful can imagine."

- TONY SMITH (AUSTRALIA)

Its beyond my imagination that you can put it all together in a book. Two thumbs up! You can not imagine what happen when I first read the title of your book, and got excited about it and kept reading until dawn. I commend you in putting so much effort to collecting data and put it together to support your idea. 

How can I say this... your book is really ME in here, existing to tell, spread, and contradict  but in very small area only (very limited, considering my country religion majority). Most of it can only be talked between my family member and close friends. Your book provides BEAUTIFUL BITTER TRUTH : that is how I would sum it up.

I called it beautiful because it opens up the very shell of a religions and the implications it caused over the past hundred, even thousands of years. I cannot describe with my limited english skill the insight your book has shown. But I am AFRAID your book WILL NEVER SPREAD TO MY COUNTRY. It will cause a massive attacks and chaos from the religious majority. I feel happy but the same time sad, really sad...Well again I cannot say THANK YOU ENOUGH.

- J. A. (Indonesia)

This book has taught me so much about evolution, the history of religions and the effect is has on our modern day society! The author shares his personal journey as a believer and provides much needed "food for thought". I recommend this book to all those who want to form their own opinion about believing or not believing.

-FISHPOND REVIEW